S&W S&W m1917

Discussion in 'Smith & Wesson Revolvers' started by Remphoto, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Remphoto

    Remphoto Rob M. RevolverForums User

    My son has been looking for one of these. How rare and what is a good price? Any other comments on this model?
  2. RuffBuff

    RuffBuff Lovable Little Fuzzball RevolverForums User Active Member

    Rob,

    I'm sure there are many people around here much more qualified than I to respond to your question, but I do happen to have a Blue Book pretty handy as I type this, so let me share that info with you. My Blue Book is the 29th Edition which makes it the 2008 version. Five years later, estimates may be a bit different.

    These revolvers are classified into two(2) major groups - Military (175,000 made from 1917-19) and Commercial (manufactured from 1920-1941, no quantity shown). There also was a Brazilian Contract Model of 1937 which have a Brazilian shield on the right side - 25,000 of these were made originally, of which 14,000 were later imported back into the U.S..

    Each grouping shows valuations in order of condition ratings of 100%, 98%, 95%, 90%, 80%, 70%, and 60% which is the lowest. Those valuations are as follows:

    Military: $1,850, $1,675, $1,450, $1,200, $1,000, $875, $750 respectively. (Add 25% for early military manufactured (S/N range of approx. 1-15,000) with concentric groove cut inside of hammer.)

    Commercial: $2,450, $2,200, $1,925, $1,725, $1,500, $1,250, $1,000 respectively.

    Brazilian Contract Model of 1937: $1,450, $1,275, $1,075, $875, $750, $625, $500 respectively.

    Another note says that there was also a "1917 Army" commercial model made from May 14, 1946 - July 25, 1947 (approx. 99 mfg.). These are denoted by hammer block safety and serial number "S" prefix. These are valued very similar to the Commercial Models above.

    I hope this info can help you.

    Being a .45 ACP hand-loader myself, and a somewhat of a 1911-bigot, I'd scarf one of these up myself if given the opportunity. Unfortunately, if and when I ever see them, they go for some pretty long money.

    Good Luck, Rob.
  3. Remphoto

    Remphoto Rob M. RevolverForums User

    Thanks for the info, RB -- I sent your info to him. This appears to be quite a piece of history he is seeking. I know that both S&W and Colt made them for the militiary but for some reason he is focusing on the S&W model. Next time I talk to him will have to find out the backstory on why he is after this gun -- though he has some 1911's so might be the common-cartridge tie. He is in Special Forces at SOCOM so has quite an interest in military weaponry.
  4. RuffBuff

    RuffBuff Lovable Little Fuzzball RevolverForums User Active Member

    Remphoto,

    Using the same Blue Book, I just did a quick check on the Colt 1917, .45 ACP revolvers.

    Roughly speaking, looking at the same condition/valuation scale, I think I can say that Colts are worth significantly less ounce-for-ounce than the Smiths. At quick glance, I'd say that the Colt Military 1917s run $500-600 less per "step-down" compared to the Smiths, while the Colt Commercial 1917s run $900-950 less per "step-down" compared to the Smiths.

    Again, I'm sure not the expert by any means compared to others here, but I'm rather shocked that this seems to be the case. I kinda expected it to be the other way around.

    Hopefully someone else can weigh in here.
  5. Bob Wright

    Bob Wright Active Member RevolverForums User Active Member

    I don't see many Smith M1917s but see the same Colt model and the price seems to start just over $500 and up, depending on condition. These guns are now falling into the range of collector's items and as such are bringing premium prices.

    As a shooter, as is without any modifications, these revolvers are pleasant to shoot and pretty accurate for informal target shooting. The .45 ACP round is one of those that has plenty of "thump" without severe muzzle blast or recoil.

    The ACP case requires clips for proper extraction in these guns, and that gets to be a pain over a long session. Full moon clips ease that some. And for the hand loader, .45 Auto Rim cases are available that work like any other revolver cartridge.

    And, being an N-Framed Smith, many aftermarket parts and grips are available should one so desire to use them.

    Bob Wright

    P.S. Not too long ago I bought a S&W Model 625 in .45 ACP. While I owned it, I had ideas of making a separate spring loaded ejector that would work like the rod ejector on a single action revolver. Made some rough sketches but never got around to actually building one.
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2013
  6. RuffBuff

    RuffBuff Lovable Little Fuzzball RevolverForums User Active Member

    Remphoto,

    Remembering this thread you posted, and always keeping an eye peeled at the local auction(s) for this and that, I happened to see this (see lot #194):
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    The description states:
    [Note to Remphoto: The auction is scheduled for Saturday, October 5th, 2013. PM me if you need any contact info for the auction house. Absentee bids can be arranged.]

    And for you Colt lovers, #200 may give you the shiverin' fits ... it's a “Trooper 357” that was retrofitted with a newer Colt “Python” 6” lugged barrel w/ventilated rib. I've known several people to graft fruit trees, but not too many folks who've tried it on revolvers.
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2013
  7. Remphoto

    Remphoto Rob M. RevolverForums User

    Thanks RB. Will pass on info. They just found out expecting another child so his may rearrange his financial priorities (or maybe not). :)
  8. budroe

    budroe Active Member RevolverForums User

    Hey, best congrats to Mom and the entire family!!!
  9. RuffBuff

    RuffBuff Lovable Little Fuzzball RevolverForums User Active Member

    Well, there you go, Grandpop! Someone for your son to pass that S&W 1917 down to in a few years ... ready-made heir!

    Congratulations!
  10. budroe

    budroe Active Member RevolverForums User

    I'd love to find a 1917, I'd be happy with either a Colt or S&W. Problem is finding one I can afford without taking out a mortgage on the house.
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2013
  11. RuffBuff

    RuffBuff Lovable Little Fuzzball RevolverForums User Active Member

    The fact that previous owner scratched his driver’s license number into the trigger guard of the one at auction may make this one a bit more affordable.
  12. RuffBuff

    RuffBuff Lovable Little Fuzzball RevolverForums User Active Member

    Bud,

    For what it's worth, I did a little research into past auctions and found this one (#16) that sold for $800 back in February, 2013.

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    The description read as follows:
    Believe me, I'm clearly no expert on this genre of firearms, but seems to me that whoever bought this S&W Model 1917 might have gotten a pretty good deal. Maybe local market demand for this gun comes in to play here, or maybe Sandy Hook's aftermath was still too much in everyone's mind, and everyone was looking for AR-15 type firearms as a result, and revolvers just weren't going for what they were worth then, but seems like $800 was low for the gun as described.

    Now, having said that, $800 is a lot of money to me right now also.
  13. munchie

    munchie Member RevolverForums User

    I would probably let mine go for a sort of decent price. There is a picture of it in the media section.
  14. budroe

    budroe Active Member RevolverForums User

    I try to limit any driving in Houston to visiting Collectors Firearms - my favorite gun shop in the world. Their website, collectorsfirearms.com has two Brazilian 1937 models for $795 and $845. They have a 1917 inlaid with gold and silver, and with pearl grips for only $1995.00. They have a number of Colt New Service revolvers running around $1900.00 or more.

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